This is an archive of the old Stones Cry Out site. For the current site, click here.

« LA Times Absurdity | Main | Proud to be a Neocon »

July 22, 2005

Francis Schaeffer vs. Me

Biting off more than I can chew.

Scroll down to the bottom paragraphs.

But here's a question and I've seen it tossed around a bit on some other blogs: I realize Schaeffer is important to Christians, but does anyone else care? Were his ideas really that valuable, and can they stand on their own terms? I'm not criticizing...I'm just asking. Anyone have a thought?

Posted by Matt at July 22, 2005 02:34 PM

Trackback Pings


Nope. Just run some searches on the major liberal Christian and atheist websites, like Internet Infidels, for example. I just searched there and got about a dozen hits. Schaeffer gets mentioned in passing, in testimonials, and so on, but not in major articles. But I suspect if you polled there, most people would have only the dimmest idea, if at all, who he was.

Why is this? Consider: of the major Christian thinkers whom evangelicals typically say influenced them, skeptics are most aware of CS Lewis, whose fiction is great but whose apologetics are laughable, seeming good only because US culture is so saturated with Christianity. This is because Lewis is often cited at us, as if he were someone convincing whom we should take note of, instead of target practice. Similarly, we also get William Craig and Greg Boyd cited at us. JP Holding of Tektonics is sometimes cited. Once in a while someone throws Plantinga at us, and I have even seen Van Til once or twice. But in many years of debating with Christians on numerous Christian and atheist websites, blogs, and forums, no one has ever thrown even a single Francis Schaeffer argument or citation at me. Not until I visited evangelical websites and blogs did I come to appreciate his importance for the Dark Side.

Schaeffer's own work was highly focused on living his philosophy, and he lived in faraway Europe. Craig, Boyd, Koukl, etc, live in the US, and seem to be engaged in building and running small apologetic empires rather than in serious intellectual engagement with the world Out There, as Schaeffer was. That may also have something to do with it.

Infidel in Exile

Posted by: Francis Shaeffer at July 27, 2005 08:52 AM

Interesting. I've no use for Greg Boyd's open theism. Dangerous stuff.

Posted by: Matt at July 27, 2005 11:30 AM

Posted by: san diego real estate management at August 10, 2005 08:04 PM