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February 14, 2005

More on the TNIV and HCSB Bibles

Since my post on the TNIV and the Holman Christian Standard Bible created a lot of interest and a long string of comments, you may be interested in a more scholarly treatment of the topic. Mark Roberts, senior pastor of Irvine Presbyterian Church (Calif.), is starting a series on the TNIV today on his blog.

While to some it seems as though a new translation of the Bible is introduced every year, most are revisions of existing translations. The Holman CSB is one of a handful of English translations in the last 500 years.

Below is a list of the major English translations and revisions familiar to most people:

Tyndale Bible 1526, 1534
New English Bible 1961-1970
Jerusalem Bible 1966
New American Bible 1941-1970
Good News Bible 1966-1976
New International Version 1973-1978
Holman Christian Standard Bible 2004

Coverdale 1535
Geneva Bible 1560
King James Version 1611, 1613, 1629, 1638, 1762, 1769
American Standard Version 1901
Revised Standard Version 1946-1952, 1971
New King James 1979-1982
New American Standard 1963-1971
Living Bible 1967-1971
New Living Translation 1996
English Standard Version 2001

A reader pointed out that the NET Bible is also translated from the original languages. This was created first as only an online edition, but it is now in print here.

Posted by Jim at February 14, 2005 01:30 PM

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Don't forget Douay-Rheims.

Posted by: Funky Dung at February 14, 2005 04:35 PM

It would be interesting to see this laid out in a "tree" format -- showing which bibles were revised from which others. It's often surprising to see how some versions are related...

Posted by: LotharBot at February 14, 2005 06:12 PM

From the Dallas Morning News:

Patterson prefers a more literal yet readable translation. He predicts most Southern Baptists will neither buy nor support the TNIV.

Indeed, the Southern Baptist Convention's publishing arm, now Lifeway Christian Resources, came out with its own alternative to the NIV in 2004, the Holman Christian Standard Bible. That version uses traditional language and is closer to the NIV in translation style.

I don't know what this means...but when I hear southern baptist, I usually think wierdo...if they are the lone evangelical holdout...I would presume it to be for fanatical reasons and not sound theological ones.

Posted by: skibrian at February 17, 2005 01:07 PM

If the southern baptists publish the holman wonder they don't want competition.

Posted by: skibrian at February 17, 2005 01:09 PM

I spent 10 months producing information on why, even though its published by Broadman & Holman, this isn't really a Southern Baptist project--the translation and editing team was comprised of people from many denominations, etc. etc.

At this point I'd recommend that if you're serious about it, read it and see what you think. The text is online at

Posted by: Jim Jewell at February 17, 2005 01:50 PM


don't you hate rumour and the secular press?!?! just when you think you can trust them.

anway...a quick look appears to show no financial link between the SBC and the B&H publishing house. Now, I have no idea if the SBC has aquired any stock on the publisher...but from what it seems, there is a southern baptist tradition, but dosn't seem to be a direct link.

now...all I am saying is that I will always find it troubling when there isn't full disclosure...and there are always issues when there is money to be made. It is very distressing when the church is divided because an organization takes shots at another's product simply because they have their own product to sell.

I am not in Christian publishing, and I know very little about it. I know that men run it (that is gender neutral "men and women" [aren't I cheeky?!?] LOL) and men are fallible and that money can be (not is...can be) the root of evil. Forgive me for ever being the eternal skeptic. A society of skeptics keeps it healthy, as long as the skeptic doesn't go conspiracy theory wacko.

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